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	<title>Comments on: A week in which I found myself defending climate sceptics by invoking John Stuart Mill&#8217;s &#8220;In Liberty&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Stuart Mill.... Reminds me of the Philosophers song by monty python!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Stuart Mill&#8230;. Reminds me of the Philosophers song by monty python!</p>
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		<title>By: AJ intern</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJ intern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m all in favour of a good debate. And maybe that’s what Amanda wanted to spark with last week’s BD editorial, deriding the current government and the RIBA’s position on climate change. However, suggesting that we should seriously consider ‘the growing wealth of scientific evidence’ that climate change is not man-made, is utter nonsense...&quot;

Read the full response of Hattie Hartman, Sustainability Editor of the Architects&#039; Journal at:

http://blog.emap.com/footprint/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m all in favour of a good debate. And maybe that’s what Amanda wanted to spark with last week’s BD editorial, deriding the current government and the RIBA’s position on climate change. However, suggesting that we should seriously consider ‘the growing wealth of scientific evidence’ that climate change is not man-made, is utter nonsense&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Read the full response of Hattie Hartman, Sustainability Editor of the Architects&#8217; Journal at:</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.emap.com/footprint/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.emap.com/footprint/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nick Grant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mel

I&#039;m a born again skeptic but skepticism is about evidence and reasoned arguments. Amanda made some very misleading statements that will doubtless be picked up by the conspiracy theorists and Daily Mail hacks.

The problem for me is that it is an opinion about fact (that there is a growing wealth of scientific evidence . .  . ) and made in what is supposed to be a respectable journal.

Is someone wants to voice the opinion that we are all going to die anyway so lets party, I would not be the least outraged. It is when opinion is presented as fact that I get narked because it is misleading.

The C4 Global warming swindle was a good case in point as I&#039;m sure plenty more people heard the &#039;climate change is a swindle&#039; message than followed the tedious but necessary point by point dismantling of the programme&#039;s errors.

So I&#039;m with Colm and Will</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mel</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a born again skeptic but skepticism is about evidence and reasoned arguments. Amanda made some very misleading statements that will doubtless be picked up by the conspiracy theorists and Daily Mail hacks.</p>
<p>The problem for me is that it is an opinion about fact (that there is a growing wealth of scientific evidence . .  . ) and made in what is supposed to be a respectable journal.</p>
<p>Is someone wants to voice the opinion that we are all going to die anyway so lets party, I would not be the least outraged. It is when opinion is presented as fact that I get narked because it is misleading.</p>
<p>The C4 Global warming swindle was a good case in point as I&#8217;m sure plenty more people heard the &#8216;climate change is a swindle&#8217; message than followed the tedious but necessary point by point dismantling of the programme&#8217;s errors.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;m with Colm and Will</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, Mills does make the point best: 
That the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. 

Well in terms of climate change, that time has clearly come. Dealing with climate change is absolutely about preventing &quot;harm&quot; to some of the worlds poorest and most disenfranchised peoples, as it is they who cannot afford to &#039;adapt&#039; as western nations might be able to afford to do.

Scepticism, I agree, is a healthy democratic quality. The problem here is as much to do with the scientists as anybody else. They have not been able to get their message across about scientific consensus, about notions of risk, probability and doubt in a media that is obsessed with creating bipolar political debate over climate change. They give voices for and against equal air time in some false nod to journalistic balance. Thus it leads to the view of those who don&#039;t trawl scientific journals that substantial doubt exists where it does not. 

This doubt gets picked up particularly by baby boom and older libertarians who have been scarred by the previous errors in the declaration of scientific &#039;fact&#039; as occurred in the second half of the 20th century in the same way they became disillusioned with politics.

The ultimate result is the delay of action that can no longer be delayed as political will amongst the people and their representatives fades as election deadlines loom. 2050 is a mere eye blink away in the context of climate history and that is all the time we have left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Mills does make the point best:<br />
That the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others. </p>
<p>Well in terms of climate change, that time has clearly come. Dealing with climate change is absolutely about preventing &#8220;harm&#8221; to some of the worlds poorest and most disenfranchised peoples, as it is they who cannot afford to &#8216;adapt&#8217; as western nations might be able to afford to do.</p>
<p>Scepticism, I agree, is a healthy democratic quality. The problem here is as much to do with the scientists as anybody else. They have not been able to get their message across about scientific consensus, about notions of risk, probability and doubt in a media that is obsessed with creating bipolar political debate over climate change. They give voices for and against equal air time in some false nod to journalistic balance. Thus it leads to the view of those who don&#8217;t trawl scientific journals that substantial doubt exists where it does not. </p>
<p>This doubt gets picked up particularly by baby boom and older libertarians who have been scarred by the previous errors in the declaration of scientific &#8216;fact&#8217; as occurred in the second half of the 20th century in the same way they became disillusioned with politics.</p>
<p>The ultimate result is the delay of action that can no longer be delayed as political will amongst the people and their representatives fades as election deadlines loom. 2050 is a mere eye blink away in the context of climate history and that is all the time we have left.</p>
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		<title>By: Colm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of the comments did verge on the shrill side, but I don&#039;t think there is anything wrong with those that asked for some evidence to back up the claims in the article. There is nothing wrong with challenging the prevailing consensus, but you need to have fashioned a stronger argument if you are going to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the comments did verge on the shrill side, but I don&#8217;t think there is anything wrong with those that asked for some evidence to back up the claims in the article. There is nothing wrong with challenging the prevailing consensus, but you need to have fashioned a stronger argument if you are going to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-2502&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Colm&lt;/a&gt; 
Colm - there were many commenters who expressed outrage that Amanda should even consider voicing such an opinion, and she shouldn&#039;t have done so. My point is that she should have, if that&#039;s what she felt (and she did, so maybe freedom of speech prevailed after all?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-2502" rel="nofollow">@Colm</a><br />
Colm &#8211; there were many commenters who expressed outrage that Amanda should even consider voicing such an opinion, and she shouldn&#8217;t have done so. My point is that she should have, if that&#8217;s what she felt (and she did, so maybe freedom of speech prevailed after all?).</p>
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		<title>By: Colm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t really understand how it is a freedom of speech issue though. Who has tried to silence her?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really understand how it is a freedom of speech issue though. Who has tried to silence her?</p>
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